Advertise Here

Deliver your message to thousands of readers every day.

Our readers are influential opinion makers - politicians, journalists and activists.

Learn more about ads.

About Us

Frank D. Russo

The California Progress Report is published by Frank D. Russo, a longtime observer of and participant in California politics.

About Frank Russo.
About California Progress Report.

Got a news tip? Want to write a guest column? Contact Frank here.

Sponsors

Books

A California Super Delegate Asks—How Should We Come to a Decision?

Garry-S.-Shay.gif
By Garry S. Shay
Member
Democratic National Committee

I want to open up a debate here.

For the first time since they were conceived, the votes of so-called "super-delegates" may actually matter with regard to the nomination of the Democratic Party candidates for President and Vice-President of the United States.

As a matter of explanation and illumination, super-delegates are either Governors of States or Territories, members of Congress or members of the DNC. They are un-pledged delegates to the National Convention in Denver. They are either elected by their districts, states, state parties, or other constituencies such as the Democratic State Treasurer’s Association, or the Democratic Municipal Officials Association, or similar organizations. 75 DNC members were nominated by Governor Dean in 2004, and elected by the other DNC members.

The question I pose is not who super-delegates should vote for, but rather how they should come to their decision.

The question is not whether or not they should exist, because the fact is, they do. As my torts professor once said, in his thick German accent, if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a Volkswagen, but she doesn't. Whatever you think of the system itself, it is the reality we work in at this time.

And the question is not whether or not the Super-Delegates should come to a decision, because sitting it out is essentially a vote against any candidate, since we are part of the majority needed to nominate. Not voting does not lower the number needed to nominate and also deprives our constituency (whatever that may be) of their representation under the current rules. I don't think any of us would really advocate for that.

I know the people are quite capable of carrying on a philosophic discussion and not allow it to devolve into a debate of personality, if they choose to do so.

I ask you to participate in this discussion at that level. Please do not refer to Clinton or Obama. Please keep the discussion a step above personality and specific candidates.

This discussion is about the nature of representative democracy. Is one elected to represent their constituency, or to vote their conscience, or some other formula? How does that apply to the present situation?

As pertains to myself, and 18 other elected DNC members, we were elected by the Executive Board of the California Democratic Party four (4) years ago. Our terms run from the day after one convention, to the day after the next. We are among the first elected delegates to a National Convention. Only Senators elected in 2002 were elected earlier. The CDP Executive Board will be electing some of the first delegates to the 2012 National Convention this June. That election has no effect on the current convention decision.

What are we elected to do? Who were we elected to represent?

Other formulations may apply to other super-delegates, but here are the various formulations I have come up with, at least as pertains to the 19 CDP DNC members elected in 2004:

1. I was elected because my electorate trusted my judgment and I should vote my conscience.

2. I was elected to represent those who elected me 4 years ago, who are not the same people who are on the CDP Executive Board at the present time. I should poll the former Executive Board of the CDP, after the last primary and before the convention.

3. I was elected to represent the CDP Executive Board, as an institutional body. I should poll the current Executive Board of the CDP, after the last primary and before the convention.

4. I was elected by the CDP Executive Board to represent the same people they represent, the Democrats of the State of California, and thus should vote however the majority of Democrats voted on February 5, 2008.

5. I should vote for the candidate most likely to win in November, in my opinion.

6. I should vote for the candidate who best exemplifies the Platform of the CDP.

7. I should vote for the candidate who best exemplifies the Platform of the National Convention.

8. I should vote for the candidate with the most pledged delegates, unless for some bizarre reason, I can honestly say that such a candidate is an anathema to the Democratic Party principles as I understand them.

9. I was elected to synthesize all of the above into a decision, which you recognize is an impossible task, but trusted I would do the right thing for the right reason.

10. Vote the way you personally want me to and if I don't you will hold me personally responsible. (This is not really a choice, but I recognize it is perhaps a reality for some).

I would like your thoughts on this. Seriously. I will pass them on to all members of the CDP DNC delegation, and those of the Western States, as well. You may contact me my email address of gss1@aol.com (That’s a “one” after the gss).

Garry S. Shay is the Lead Chair of the CDP Rules Committee, a member of the DNC Rules Committee, and Parliamentarian for the LACDP and CDP-GLBT Caucus. Mr. Shay also manages a list serve which can be joined at DemocraticNewsGroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. This article was originally published on the California Democratic Party Progressive Caucus list-serve.

Posted on February 12, 2008

Comments

Super-delegates should be obligated to perform due diligence to represent as much of the view of the general public as they can, without limiting, supplementing, or otherwise distorting such a view in any way. Period.

It's the least they could do to compensate for the voting forum that got them there in the first place. An enhanced democratic process might alternatively only allow a super-delegate to function as they do by opening that voting forum to the appropriately scoped larger general public without restriction. Specific constituencies would not be given any weighting beyond their proportional head count in the general public. Then, in such an idealized democracy, a super-delegate vote based only on his/her own judgment would become much more tolerable.

Posted by: Greg O'Neil at February 12, 2008 01:59 PM

Cast your vote for the winner of the nationwide popular vote, thereby helping to ensure that the superdelegate vote doesn't go against the will of the people. I believe Sen. Boxer is on record as saying that she will do the same.

Posted by: Kerri at February 12, 2008 04:08 PM

I believe that elected officials should in almost all cases vote their conscience. That is why we elect people in fact. We DO trust your judgment and that is why you got our vote in the first place. I have my own things to deal with at my own job and I'm happy for you to run this aspect of my life. I'm happy that someone is fixing the traffic lights, repairing the roads, policing the streets and putting out fires. For my part, I'm happy to pay taxes so that I don't have to worry about any of this. :)


That being said, I think that if we're having an election, it should be popular vote. I think if either delegate ended up with more delegates in the elections and then the super delegates swung in an entirely different direction, you'd see a firestorm of people angry and upset that their voice didn't matter. If that happens, it might be enough to swing a lot of votes to McCain. Not out of spite, but out of feeling abandoned by a party that we've dedicated time, money and votes to.

Posted by: Philippe Larock at February 13, 2008 08:26 AM

This is my 2nd comment. The delegates from Florida and Michigan should not be seated unless both candidates have a chance to participate in an approved process. In both Michigan and Florida the DNC concluded that the delegates in those states would not be counted. In fact, Senators Clinton and Kucinich were the only candidates on the Michigan state ballot. If the process is changed to allow the states' delegates it is only fair to allow both candidates to campaign and win votes.

Posted by: Laverne Appleby-Stewart at February 13, 2008 09:45 AM

my question is about the process. will your vote at the convention be something that is a public record. Like a vote in a representative body (i.e.congress) or will your vote be tallied in secret and presented as part of a whole. if it is not public than this kind of debate is moot for obvious reasons.

Posted by: phil white at February 15, 2008 02:15 PM

If the super-delegates choose anyone other than the candidate who won the most delegates, then this is no longer a democratic organization and no longer deserves to exist. Fake democracy is everywhere in our country from labor unions, to NGO's, to elections. Democracy is the last untarnished ideology to survive the 20th century and it must be defended at all costs. Without democracy this country is nothing.

Posted by: ia728 at February 21, 2008 02:33 PM

This has been a much longer and protracted campaign than origially anticipated, and how voters in California voted on Super Tuesday may have changed now, due to more exposure to the candidates. This cuts both ways, as there are many voters for both candidates that would like a re-do. The super delegates should vote on
the basis of who is the most honest and trustworthy. The rest will fall into place.

Second "follow the money" and try to select a candidate that is not already so severely compromised due to "big" money. We urgenly need a new order, and regardless of the rhetoric, money is what really talks.

Posted by: Alma Megeath at May 6, 2008 07:58 AM

"Cast your vote for the winner of the nationwide popular vote, thereby helping to ensure that the superdelegate vote doesn't go against the will of the people. I believe Sen. Boxer is on record as saying that she will do the same."
My problem with voting for the winner of the nationwide popular vote is that the voice of the "less popular" group is negated. Some thoughts: 1-Consider proportional representation in Super Delegate decision making - if the popular vote is split 40/60, surely the 40% deserve to have a voice via their Super Delegates? 2-I believe Super Delegates should have the ability to vote their conscience if they so choose. I feel I must trust these delegates to make informed decisions(perhaps more informed than mine). 3-I don't want to see the voters from Florida and Michigan removed from the election process and hope there is a way their voices will be heard at the convention - if indeed, these candidates are both still in the running at convention time. In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with voters being exposed to more discussion and comparison between these two candidates.

Posted by: renai at May 8, 2008 06:38 AM

Vote with the people that will vote for you next time. If you haven't been chosen by the people, you're in a very unfortunate position for the party.

Regardless of the reason for inventing super delegates, I don't think you could have thought up anything more contrary to American Democracy.

Time to reinvent yourselves, oh dem leaders.

Looking back sadly,

A former dem

Posted by: Melissa at May 13, 2008 01:20 PM

Post a comment




Remember Me?

(you may use HTML tags for style)

Get email updates!

Get Email Updates

Want the California Progress Report by email? Once a week, we'll send you the latest and greatest headlines.



© 2008 California Progress Report Our copyright and fair use policy.
Powered by Mandate Media. Logo design by Jane Norling.

RSS

Stat tracker