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Proposition 85: Parental Notification for Minors Getting Abortions – NO (Again)

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By Peter L. Stahl
Pete Rates the Propositions

Prop 85 is essentially identical to last year’s failed Prop 73. I recommended a “no” vote then, and I recommend a “no” vote now. Here’s a rerun of the rating I gave last time, with a few minor changes.

Prop 85 is about minors who become pregnant. These teenage girls are already under the ordinary pressures of adolescence in our high-intensity culture. Now they face the embarrassment of revealed sexual activity, a strained relationship with the presumptive father, and God-knows-what from their parents. On top of all that is the life-changing decision of whether to terminate the pregnancy, carry it to term and raise the baby, or give it up for adoption. It’s a dizzying prospect.

Most girls in this situation can count on their parents for steadfast support and sound advice. But many cannot. Domestic violence is a fact, and adolescent pregnancy is intricately intertwined with it. According to a 2001 report by the Center for Assessment and Policy Development and the National Organization on Adolescent Pregnancy, Parenting and Prevention, evidence suggests that no fewer than a quarter of adolescent mothers experience some form of interpersonal violence in the year surrounding their pregnancy, with some studies reporting rates of 50 to 80 percent.

Prop 85 would require physicians to notify a parent or legal guardian and wait 48 hours before they perform abortions on girls under 18. If a girl is fearful of her parents, Prop 85 allows her to go to juvenile court, where a temporary guardian and attorney will ask a judge to waive parental notification.

Now put yourself in the shoes of a pregnant 17-year-old who needs this waiver. You’re in desperate trouble. You may already have experienced violence. You can’t let your parents know. Will you go to Juvenile Hall for help? Is that the key to safety? It just isn’t plausible.

Prop 85 will cause many scared adolescents to go outside the system to avoid notifying their parents. They’ll go to neighboring states if they can (as now happens where there are notification laws, according to a USC study). Or they’ll pursue back-alley abortions, with the attendant risk of medical complications and death.

Or they’ll give up and carry the baby to term. This, of course, is the outcome supporters of Prop 85 are after. Because at its core, Prop 85 is a Pro-Life law, intended to prevent as many abortions as possible.

Prop 85 is a roadblock to safe, legal abortion. It will lead to more domestic violence, more back-alley abortions, and more unwanted pregnancies carried to term. There is no upside. Vote no.

Since 1980, when he was a student at Harvard, Pete Stahl has been writing what he calls "sensible" opinions on the California ballot propositions. Often provocative, frequently irreverent, usually progressive, Pete cuts through the posturing on either side of each measure, distilling the true issues underlying them.

Pete Rates the Propositions is non-partisan and unaffiliated with any candidate or organization. Pete remains obstinately undoctrinaire, considering each ballot proposition on its merits. He is proud to have offended (and persuaded) voters of all political stripes. This originally appeared on Pete Rates the Propositions and is republished with the permission of the author.

Posted on October 30, 2006

Comments

This guy must not have any daughters.

Posted by: steve at October 30, 2006 01:59 PM

Think clearly, please! We are talking about MINORS for heaven's sake. Prop 85 is not about abortion -- it is about parental rights. So you think it is better to turn over my daughters to schools, planned parenthood, etc. than to assume my role as a parent. NO WAY! I am pro-choice, but on this issue, Prop 85, my vote is an overwhelming yes. The anti forces are just using scare tactics because they don't want any restriction of any kind whatsoever on abortion -- even if it means taking my kid out of school for a surgical abortion. Give me a break. The extremist position is the no side. Again, YES ON 85! Thanks for your space.

Posted by: Barbara at October 30, 2006 02:27 PM

Yes, let us all think clearly, that everbody should have the right to choose. There are many girls who are in abusive realtionships, whether it be physically or sexually, should their parents still have the right to make decisions for their daughters? I understand that parents are concerned with the choices that their daughter makes (esp. a choice liek abortion) but if families practice good communication their daughters will go to them regardless of this proposition. Vote "NO" on Proposition 85. Go to: www.noon85.com

Posted by: Jennifer at October 30, 2006 03:16 PM

Why are people so concerned about abusive Parents and and not about abusive Boyfriends? Parents are the best choice in the majority of cases, not boyfriends or the medical profession (with a vested financial interest - take a look at who's bankrolling the "no on 85 campaign). Judicial bypass has worked in 30 other states, abortion rates have dropped, and there has been no spike in teenage injuries from 'back alley abortionists.' Teen Safety should override Teen Privacy. Vote YES on 85.

Posted by: Ed at October 30, 2006 06:53 PM

This guy is speaking on who's behalf?? I may agree about a 17 year old having not to inform her parents but what about the 12 and 13 year old girls who are being left out of the comment as well as the predators who are getting away with a crime if it goes unreported?

Posted by: Toni at October 31, 2006 12:41 PM

How about working to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place? We're ignoring the issue at hand. Young people are having unprotected sex. Rather than deal with the issue openly, we're going to pass a law that puts girls at risk?

Californians voted AGAINST this law last year.

Religious groups also oppose it. The group Clergy for Choice is urging everyone to vote no on Proposition 85 for the November 2006 ballot. Rev. Mark Asman said, “Our years of pastoral experience tell us that if this law is passed it will put some teenagers at risk for their lives and safety.”

http://www.noon85.com/

Posted by: Isabel at October 31, 2006 11:32 PM

Jim Holman, a conservative Catholic and father of seven children who has bankrolled Proposition 85, an anti-abortion measure on the Nov. 7 ballot…has contributed $2.6 million in cash and loans to the initiative…”He is the man behind the curtain,” said Kathy Kneer, president of Planned Parenthood of California, a major opponent of the measure. “There wouldn’t be a campaign if Jim Holman weren’t funding it.”
http://www.noon85.com/home-page/2006/10/22/wealthy-san-diego-publisher-bankrolls-prop-85/

Posted by: Isabel at October 31, 2006 11:36 PM

Unfortunatley, some girls do not live in a happy and stable homes. There are plenty of girls that live with a violent or abusive parents. And, telling her parents could put her in a dangerous situation!
If you have established a relationship with your child then she will come to you if she is pregnant but we need to protect our most vulnerable teens! 70% of pregnant minors already involve a parent in the decision and for those who do not involve a friend or trusted adult. And, Planned Parenthood complies with all child mandating laws. They do not harbor child predators. Think about!!! VOTE No on 85!!!
www.noon85.com

Posted by: Maggie at November 1, 2006 03:00 PM

Unfortunatley, some girls do not live in a happy and stable homes. There are plenty of girls that live with a violent or abusive parents. And, telling her parents could put her in a dangerous situation!
If you have established a relationship with your child then she will come to you if she is pregnant but we need to protect our most vulnerable teens! 70% of pregnant minors already involve a parent in the decision and for those who do not involve a friend or trusted adult. And, Planned Parenthood complies with all child mandating laws. They do not harbor child predators. Think about!!! VOTE No on 85!!!
www.noon85.com

Posted by: Maggie at November 1, 2006 03:11 PM

Some of you speak like you've never been a teenager. I had, and still have a pretty good relationship with my parents, but I wasn't perfect. I got into jams now and then where I thought the best thing to do was to hide it from them. Sometime our good relationship was the very thing that made me not want to dissapoint them. So I don't buy this whole "if you have a good relationship, you daughter will come to you anyway" argument.
If you give a kid a chance to get out of a bigger jam than I have ever been in, and their parents don't have to know, why wouldn't they take it?
I've actually seen the "percentage of girls who tell their parents" figure as low as 61% from other Prop 85 opponents, as opposed to the 70% figure that gets thrown around alot. And while "medical privacy" for minors has been around since the 50s in California, its only been 2 years since the Attorney General clarified the law to require schools to be complicent, and let kids out for such service during school hours. So this is a relatively new phenomenon. As the years go by, and word gets out, there's no reason to believe that more and more girls will take this opportunity to hide it from their parents.

Posted by: Alan at November 2, 2006 12:59 PM

LET'S NOT MAKE A LAW to the LOWEST denominator. Prop 85 has provisions for abusive or dangerous situations. Plandparenthood is in it FOR THE MONEY! DON'T BE FOOLED! Every REAL parent out there will vote YES on PROP 85.

Posted by: Cheryl at November 2, 2006 03:50 PM

i do not believe in abortion at all... i think it is totally wrong and noone innocent deserves to die.

Posted by: heidi at November 14, 2006 09:34 AM

i do not believe in abortion at all... i think it is totally wrong and noone innocent deserves to die.

Posted by: heidi at November 14, 2006 09:34 AM

For Crist sake people, can you be any more arogent, ok for one, do you know what its like these days in high school, there is so much pressor on these girls... alot of girls get raped and get pregnat as a result.. so what these young girls are suposed to just keep these children that weren't wanted in the first place, and alot dont want to have sex but feel they have no choice,
I am 16, I was raped and Molested at the age of 7, i know what its like, it isnt fun.
In school, sex is all the guys want, it is so rare that a girl can fine a young man that doesnt expect to "get laied". I personally do not agree with abortions but i also feel that a child should not be brought into this world un-wanted. the child would grow up worse than most of us. the parent wouldnt care for them or would leave them with the granparents, so i feel that abortion is a good alternative to having unwanted, miss treated, abused, and abondoned children in the world. just think i am your future, along with all these others in high school. things are different growing up now than it was when most of you grew up... Life is harsh to us these day. take a moment and look at it from both sides, and picture yourself in their situation...

Posted by: Virginia at January 2, 2007 10:32 PM

Virginia, you sound very mature. At first I didn't believe you were 16, then I ready your last line:

"things are different growing up now than it was when most of you grew up...Life is harsh to us these day."

And your solution is to take parents out of the equation when kids seem to need them the most.

yep, now you sound 16

Posted by: Alan at January 5, 2007 08:18 PM

Do a 17 teen year old have to get abortion if she don't want????

Posted by: O'shae at January 21, 2007 01:38 PM

i think that this proposition is flate out outrageous. it takes away all the rights that were fought for as a people "PRIVACY." a teenager shouldn't have to notify her parent(s) of having an abortion or anything that involves her body. I feel it is her right to do what she pleases with her body. Notifying the parent(s) could distroy the relationship and/or trust between them.The decsion should be up to that person who has to live with whatever choice they make. I currently have a friend in this situation, and she is terrified of being pregnant alone,let alone her mother finding out. Her mother finding out could led to anything,her not getting able to attend college,being put out of her house. I agree as a teenager already it is hard enough it's self, so to add more to the plate is over whelming.i disagree with this totally.

Posted by: Jewell` at February 27, 2007 10:00 PM

I am a mother of a child a 19 year old daughter I have lived through this situation. See my daughter had an abortion at 13, that i knew nothing about and found out two years later, When i found out that family planning had helped her to get an abortion without notifing me her mother,I felt as if i had been betrayed by the system, who are they to take in the parental right of my daughter, if i would have been notified i could have helped her through the whole ordeal as i do not believe in abortions there are plenty of people out there who are willing to adopt, and who knows i could have helped to raise my grandchild at the time. today my daughter lives with a lot of head trips because of this. So i would vote yes on prop 85 as I AM MY CHILDS LEGAL PARENT NOT FAMILLY PLANNING.

Posted by: judy at April 26, 2007 11:23 AM

I am a mother of a child a 19 year old daughter I have lived through this situation. See my daughter had an abortion at 13, that i knew nothing about and found out two years later, When i found out that family planning had helped her to get an abortion without notifing me her mother,I felt as if i had been betrayed by the system, who are they to take in the parental right of my daughter, if i would have been notified i could have helped her through the whole ordeal as i do not believe in abortions there are plenty of people out there who are willing to adopt, and who knows i could have helped to raise my grandchild at the time. today my daughter lives with a lot of head trips because of this. So i would vote yes on prop 85 as I AM MY CHILDS LEGAL PARENT NOT FAMILLY PLANNING.

Posted by: judy at April 26, 2007 11:25 AM

if the kid doesnt want the kid then dont make the kid have the kid

Posted by: Brish at April 27, 2007 05:12 AM

Wow Brish, I never looked at it that way. Maybe we should apply the same logic to homework and eating vegetables.

Posted by: Alan at May 3, 2007 12:25 PM

you cant beat around the bush, with all this babel.. IT IS MURDER.

Posted by: MAT at September 7, 2008 05:46 PM

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